I started taking notice of songwriter Mike Mosley when I heard Brian Lambert cover his song “Cool Down.” Originally recorded by Mike’s band Junior Mozley, “Cool Down” has a strong 90s indie rock vibe reminiscent of Cracker and the Foo Fighters. Now recording as Jr. Moz Collective, Mike is moving ahead in a similar vein with a new song (available in two different mixes) called “I Won’t Be.” Quick disclaimer: Brian Lambert and I mixed the song, and I provided the art work for both mixes. That said, I’d be a fan of Mike Mosley whether I worked with him or not—and regardless of what his band is called.
To my ears, your music has a strong 90s vibe. Is there a sound you’re consciously going for, or it more like that’s just the kind of sound you naturally make?
Well I’m 46. Graduated high school in ‘93. So, talent shows etc… We played Alive and Teen Spirit and I got to live then. But back then, I was mostly into power pop. Jellyfish, Jason Falkner post-JF, but also the Afghan Whigs, Radiohead. Then I also got heavy into 70’s singer songwriters like James Taylor, J Denver, Jim Croce, Carole King etc. Worked at a cool indie record store, and the older employees exposed me to a ton. But also as a younger teen late ‘80s I got into heavy stuff: Metallica And Justice for All was big to me. Queensryche. All that stuff.
In the 90s I didn’t write like songwriters in the 90s but wanted to. So, whatever you call my style, I think it’s finally what I always wanted it to be. Probably has a lot of 90s influence. I still love those 90s Lemonheads albums for instance.
How long have you been making music? What has your musical journey looked like?
My Dad bartered me out of the line to sign up for football at 12 by promising to buy me a guitar. That worked. At some point trying to write songs rather than learning covers meant more to me. Had a 2 track tascam in ‘94 or so. My late friend Tim, who was older than me by 12 years or so, and I wrote the most Beatley songs we were capable of. Still have that stuff. He passed untimely in ‘15. I still think about him every single day. Every single day.
I’m curious about the switch from Junior Mozley to Jr. Moz Collective. Is that something you’re okay talking about?
Staff changes basically. That’s happened a few times, but by tying my name to it, it’s mine. But I have the respect of former collaborators to change it slightly names so what we formerly did is ours (mine and former folks I worked with). The “collective” so far is Me, Paul Prater on drums, and you and Brian. Paul and I have known each other since our first band in 6th grade. Great guy.
As a side note, I love the word “collective.” What’s behind your use of that word in the name of the band?
The “collective” so far is Me, Paul Prater on drums, and you and Brian. Paul and I have known each other since our first band in 6th grade. Great guy. But I’ve worked with a bunch of great musicians, engineers, producers for years. And I’m always open to working with anyone I’ve worked with before. I can’t think of anyone I wouldn’t work with really; but, like for instance some I can’t like Tim who passed away. Anyone else, they know how to find me. Finally though, the cost informs what I’m doing at a particular time. Right now, I’m trying to be a bit more conservative about my music costs for other reasons.
We were chatting a while back, and you mentioned that you’ve known the drummer on “I Won’t Be” for quite a while. What’s it like to play music with someone you’ve known for so long?
Comforting. We live a street over so that’s easy. But truly is my brother as in our respective parents raised both of us. Paul.
Your lyrics—particularly in “I Won’t Be”—suggest persistence in the face of disappointment. What draws you to this theme?
I know how to write songs a certain way. And it’s all something that has occurred in life. And I of course change themes a bit so it’s not on the nose. But most of my writing is poison pen stuff really.
What informs your songwriting?
I had the good fortune of hearing your album “Pop Salad.” When did you record that one? Was it ever released? What’s the story there?
I had said ‘96. It was ‘98. Recorded at home as a thing for me apart from Tim and I. He probably helped engineer some of it and as I listen an old friend Mike Hollis probably played drums on 2 songs. Also a good fella. In ‘98 as I recall there was nowhere to release anything you made at home. Just gave it to friends.
How does music fit into your life? In broad terms, why is it important to you?
It’s therapy. I am past the point where Tim and I were enjoying it as in let’s make the coolest chord progression we can and harmonize like crazy and be the Beatles. Tim and I played as a duo a couple times. We did Under the Milky Way, maybe some White Album stuff and our stuff. It was a lot of fun. Now, I don’t know. I gotta get feelings out. That’s how I do it.
Any plans for the future?
As long as I’m upright, I’ll write and record as long as I got issues to deal with. At 46, I wouldn’t have thought that would still be the case. It is though more than ever. So, the Collective is coming hard like a freight train. That’s the plan.
Billed as a “music fan’s favorite band,” Chicago’s Triangle Rain Club melds the best of goth, shoegaze, post-grunge and indie rock. Their debut four-track EP, Close the Door, has a buoyant poppy energy, with lead singer Austin Smith’s deadpan baritone offering a poignant counterpoint to the biting, chugging guitars that drive the music forward. Their most recent single, “Upside Down,” builds on the vibe of the EP and would feel right at home on the soundtrack to any John Hughes brat-pack film.
Cool band name! Can you tell us about it? What does it mean? Where did it come from?
I read somewhere that David Bowie would sometimes cut words out of magazines and rearrange them to come up with lyric ideas, so I basically did my own version of that. People come up with all kinds of ideas about what it means but really I just thought the words Triangle Rain Club looked cool together (laughs).
They do! Who’s in the band?
The project is just me at this point but I do occasionally work with collaborators. It is a “band” in the sense that all the classic elements of a rock group (guitar, drums, bass, vocals) are present and represent the main focus of the music.
Looking at the cover of your first EP, I’m picking up a visual aesthetic that’s reminiscent of the Cure. How do they fit into your musical outlook? What do you like about them?
It’s no secret that I am a big fan of The Cure, both musically and visually. Their expression of darkness and existential themes is something I feel a strong connection to. I also appreciate that they have been able to change sounds throughout the years without losing the essence of the band.
Similarly, your cover of the Jesus and Mary Chain’s “Just Like Honey” is impeccable, and “Upside Down,” though not a cover, shares a title with their first single. Coincidence?
Sonically, the Mary Chain is a huge influence. I like to think of myself as part of a lineage of darker music, from Lou Reed, to punk rock, to shoegaze, etc. The title of “Upside Down” is totally a coincidence, believe it or not.
Wow! I’m also hearing echoes of other acts associated with that era—Psychedelic Furs, for example, and Echo and the Bunnymen. What draws you to that era of music?
I am a fan of the history of rock music, but the late-70s/early-80s post-punk into the new wave era, like Joy Division, Television, Blondie, etc., seems so fun. Punk was venturing into pop and reggae and all kinds of different things that were really exciting. And then later in the 80s you start to see the emergence of early shoegaze sounds, which I love. You can draw a direct line from that to some of the stuff I do.
Yet there’s a contemporary vibe to your sound as well. What do you do from a musical standpoint to translate the sound of classics by the Cure and their ilk to today’s audience?
Of course I love the classics but I am also a big fan of modern music and try to keep up with new bands the best I can. I like to incorporate things from different eras, while taking them into a new direction.
Along those lines, I’m wondering whether Triangle Rain Club might be part of a larger scene – either locally or globally, or somewhere in between. What’s the appetite for your style of music?
I would consider Triangle Rain Club a part of the modern indie-shoegaze-internet-era scene (laughs). There are some really talented artists right now that are doing things on their own terms and growing their following through social media. There is a thriving shoegaze community online, especially on Twitter, that I have found to be accepting and inclusive, more so than in other scenes.
How do you connect with listeners to build an audience?
My favorite thing, the internet. It’s amazing that we’re able to have this conversation from different parts of the country, and that we can connect through our musical projects and help one another grow. Just talking to fans and other artists online can be really inspiring and keeps me motivated to keep doing this. The love and kind words from people has been more than I ever could have imagined when I first started this project.
You’ve said in the past that shoegaze is beautiful because it sounds like it could all fall apart but there’s also beauty in it. Can you say more about that? Fall apart in what way? And how does that tenuous nature contribute to its beauty?
If you listen to early shoegaze like the Mary Chain and my bloody valentine, there’s this balance between noise and pop melodies that feels really dangerous and appealing to me. Like how much noise is too much, you know? It’s always great to hear bands pushing the limits of sound.
In terms of recording, how do you maintain that magical balance?
Practice, practice, practice. I’m more or less always writing or recording something. Inspiration can hit at any moment so don’t be surprised if you see me humming notes into my phone’s built-in microphone (laughs).
Any plans for playing live?
I am in the process of putting together a live band and rehearsing but there is no definite timeline with it at this point. I like to take my time and make sure things stay at a fun level for everyone involved.
More music and more collaborations with cool people, I hope.
Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions!
According to their Spotify bio, Todd & Karen is the moniker under which Norwegian-Irish pop musicians Øyvind Berge and Ina Verdi-Ruckstuhl release their quirky, ironic and melodious indie – often set in the imaginary world of Beardsley Boulevard. Todd & Karen think of themselves as a sort of musical love child of The Divine Comedy, The Beatles, Oasis, Monty Python, and Simon & Garfunkel.
First, I was somewhat shocked to find out that your names aren’t actually Todd and Karen. Where did those names come from?
Hi Marc! Yeah, a lot of people are a bit puzzled when they find out we’re actually Øyvind and Ina. The people who actually know us personally were also a bit puzzled. The thing is, we had a different name originally. We were going to be called Quirky Haggis. We both thought that was a really amusing name, and quite original. But someone close to the band noted that it made it seem like we were trying too hard: “You’d rather call yourself something like Todd & Karen.” So we did! And it works. We can be these personas, and when we deal with an international crowd they can pronounce our names more easily. Mind you, we never knew about the Karen memes. So that might be something worth looking out for on a future release.
I might add that I actually know a couple called Todd and Karen. They are friends of my family. It became a bit of a humourous thing, and a bit of a tribute to them at the same time. I hope they like it. I’ve promised them a band t-shirt each with the logo. So if you’re reading, I’ll get on that as soon as I can, guys!
What do you do—or who are you—when you’re not Todd and Karen?
We are Øyvind Berge and Ina Verdi-Ruckstuhl. Øyvind is from Telemark in Norway and Ina is born in Switzerland, but considers herself to be Irish – and a Cork native – as she spent most of her life there, landing here in Norway. We now both work as teachers at the same school, an international IB school in Kongsberg, Norway, teaching international kids in primary and secondary school. We struck up a real connection through joining the social committee at work. Ina and I started making comedy musical jingles for our colleagues’ birthdays, and we would gather the social committee to sing them and film them. They would typically be adaptations to famous songs. Through doing this, we started talking and decided “sod it, we need to start a proper band and make our own music!” We started coming up with too many original ideas. We needed a proper outlet for it.
We’ve both been involved in other projects before. Ina’s been playing in a classical orchestra back in Ireland. I recorded a folk-pop album in Norwegian back in 2005 with my band Sugar Plum Fairies, which garnered some local radio hits here, won a cultural award and we even got featured on a compilation disc in China. After that I’ve collaborated a bit with the hardest working man on the Norwegian indie scene – Paul Bernard – the guy who put out more singles on Spotify in the time it took me to change my socks, and I put out some singles under the moniker Sir Øyvind Berge & His Imaginary Orchestra about 9-10 years ago. We’d both had quite a long break from doing music actively when Todd & Karen came about though, so it’s been a great experience to get back at it.
I’m struck by how much your new single, “Cosmo Crowd,” is reminiscent of the Beatles. What’s the story there? The Beatles are obviously a touchstone for many musicians, but what personally draws you to them and their music?
Our musical world is completely shaped by The Beatles. I remember getting my hands on my sister’s recorded C90 tape of “The Beatles Ballads” as a kid and I was completely sold. “Across the Universe,” “Here, There & Everywhere” and “Here Comes The Sun” especially made a great impression on me. For us, it’s the inventiveness, the melodiousness and the whole vibe around the music that is so infectious. I never get tired of listening to The Beatles. You always find something to latch onto and I still, with the remastered versions coming out, find new things to discover in their songs.
I love the whole vibe of that “Cosmo Crowd.” The guitars and strings, the loping drumbeat—the whole package sounds amazing, reminiscent not just of the Beatles but also of Electric Light Orchestra and Oasis. What is your recording process?
We really appreciate that. Thanks! This particular tune came about as a bit of a noodle last summer. I was just sitting around fiddling with my guitar and this chorus came around. To be honest, it sounded more like a Simon & Garfunkel folk ditty than a full on Oasis or Electric Light Orchestra-inspired piece. But once we worked out the verses and thought up the guitar solo, it got more and more Beatleesque, shall we say. We didn’t intend to, but things just inevitably head that way. What usually happens is then that we record quite rough – but might I add charming – home demos, where we put down as many track ideas as possible. We use these as the foundation when we go and record with our producer, Sigve. Or at least we have done up until now. We’ve only recorded four songs with him yet, but that’s been a great way to do it for us. He’s got this really nice, small room where all the magic happens. So we’re making sure we’re really prepared and have the songs more or less fleshed out on our demos, and then we are fairly efficient in the studio with him. It has worked out well for us so far.
By the way, thanks for mentioning Oasis. As you can imagine, we’re big fans of those Britpop bands of the 90s.
Absolutely! If you don’t mind getting technical, how did you get the guitar tone, and what did you use for the strings?
Oooh. Yeah. Well, there are a layer of guitars on the track. There is an electric rhythm guitar underneath it all – you hear it best at the beginning. It’s played with the volume on the amp way up, but the strings are muted by my right hand. An old power pop trick that gives it a certain punch. There is an electric guitar that doubles the bass guitar as well, attempting to get that “wandering bass” Macca feel to it all.
Thirdly, there is an acoustic guitar that our producer wizard, Sigve Høghaug, put through his 60s pop filters and it came out all psychedelic – kind of “Itchycoo Park”-sounding. I must admit I’m not sure what kind of plugins he utilized, but whatever it was it really worked, y’know. Sounds like a bit of a phaser to me, that goes well alongside the piano and mellotron track.
For the guitar solo, we just plugged Sigve’s state of the art Strat into a proper old school tube amp. You know that warm sound you get once the tubes has warmed up properly. We let it get warm and then I went to town doing my best Harrison.
The strings you hear is Ina multitracking a proper violin. The violin she plays is actually from the 1910s, I believe, so it has a really nice sound and a wonderful aura around it. It just added some grandeur to the whole thing, having the string part in the middle. We did the string recordings at home, using Cakewalk and a Scarlett home studio setup. Then we simply flew the tracks over to Sigve who seamlessly put them into the interlude. It’s the part of the song that makes people think of ELO, I suppose. Since we have the opportunity, we love using proper strings on our recording. It sounds so much better, we think. The whole Beatles thing come into it again there, doesn’t it? They started messing around with strings and brass and all around Sgt. Pepper.
In addition to the Beatles, you also list Monty Python as an influence. How do they figure into what you do?
As mentioned above, when we started to get to know each other a little better, we found that we had an affinity for the same kind of humour. Our music seems to have a bit of the Beatleesque and the Pythonesque flavour to it. We could have listed Blackadder and that kind of style as well. Even Vic & Bob and that kind of zany Brit humour from the 90s, for those in your readership that are connoisseurs. It’s just an attitude or a vibe, if you will. The reason we put Monty Python on there, is the fact that they also managed to put out some great music. The Rutles is one of the best comedy acts ever, and the music is brill. That whole thing came about on the fringes of the Monty Python universe. The Fab Four and the Pythons…you can’t beat that. They’re just a huge source of inspiration. Their creativity and boldness is fabulous. It doesn’t seem to age.
More broadly, why is humor an important element of your music?
Despite being from Norway and Ireland – and we inevitably bring with us influences from the homelands in our music – our main common ground is British pop music of the 60s and 70s. If you look at every great band and artist from that era, there is lots of humour in the music. I keep hammering on about The Fab Four, but listen to “You Know My Name (Look Up The Number).” It’s 4-5 minutes of sheer infectious silliness. They were, of course, inspired by The Goons, i.e. the wonderful radio comedy group of the late 50s comprising giants like Peter Sellers and Spike Milligan. Listen to the early work of the Syd Barrett-era Pink Floyd: “I know a mouse and he hasn’t got a house, I don’t know why I call him Gerald.” The Kinks and many of their hits are bittersweet, but very funny at that. You know, that English whimsy really speaks to us and we relate to it. Later on you find it in the works of Neil Hannon. Just the idea of creating two pop concept albums about cricket, as he did with The Duckworth Lewis Method, is just something so silly, but it really appealed to us. If you haven’t heard the latter, do yourself a favour and check it out. Most of the Britpop bands from the 90s that I mentioned earlier had a healthy portion of humour in their output as well. Think “Bonehead’s Bank Holiday” by Oasis, for example, or anything by Pulp.
So these kind of things creep into our music as well. If you listen to “Mr. Beardsley,” you’d be hard pressed not to find the humour component in it, I think. Music should either move you – or amuse you. If it does both, you’re onto a winner.
I also really like the artwork you use on your releases. The image you use on the “Mr. Beardsley” single has a childlike simplicity but also calls to mind Wes Anderson’s Fantastic Mr. Fox as well as the Foxtrot album from Genesis, and the stark simplicity of the cover for “Cosmo Crowd” is both modern and eye-catching. Who designs your covers?
Thank you very much! We really like our covers to be unique and convey a nice mood. Back in the day when physical releases were more commonplace, it used to be an event to spend hours with the cover art as well – at least if you were a true music geek. Having some striking visuals to go with our songs is our way of retaining some of that feel, although in a digital format.
“Mr. Beardsley” has fun cover art – and when you say “childlike quality” you’re spot on. It’s designed by my seven year old daughter, Eleanor. She was given some brief instructions about what the song was about and that is what surfaced. It was a totally intuitive thing. Luckily it fit the whole mood of the track really nicely. That you get reminded of Wes Anderson and Genesis covers is fabulous. We’re huge fans of both. The Peter Gabriel-led Genesis is a huge inspiration to us.
“Cosmo Crowd” is designed by an American friend of ours named Brian Bufkin. We really think we got a great cover on that one. The simplicity of the drawing really accompanies the track’s message well, we feel. The final line of the song reads “I’m at my happiest alone, away from everyone and all the nagging and the stress.” Looking at the man in the drawing, and the lonely figure he cuts, that seems just about right.It is modern and eye-catching for sure. At the same time (remember you’re talking to Beatles obsessives here), we immediately thought the White Album when we saw it.
Since we’re on the topic of cover art, I’d like to draw the attention to our second single “Barbara Barbara Barbara” for a minute if I may. Viktoriia Morozova, a really accomplished Ukrainian painter, did that for us. We were really impressed and chuffed with that one. It’s great to have a proper piece of fine art going along with our little pop song.
So as you see, we have quite a lot of friends and connections who we get involved when it comes to our cover art. It keeps it fresh and unique. And you’ll notice the upcoming covers will be total departures from these first three as well. Should be fun.
Given the lush arrangements on “Cosmo Crowd,” I’m wondering if you pay live. If so, how do you adapt your music to the stage?
At the moment, Ina is taking a bit of time off with her family and their newborn baby girl. She gave birth in April. So at the moment, Todd & Karen has been a studio venture exclusively. I will, however, play a small solo set for a select audience on the launch night of “Cosmo.” To get the proper experience, I will bring with me some of the studio backing tracks and weave them seamlessly into my acoustic set. On the whole though, we would probably try to strip it down to a bit of an intimate, acoustic experience with guitars, violins and piano, if we were to play live.
We’re open to playing live. Maybe next year, with some more singles under our belts, we could do some gigs. That would be super cool. So if you’re reading this and would like to hear some Norwegian-Irish indie britpop live, don’t be shy. Come check us out.
What’s on the horizon for you?
We have some more singles lined up for 2022. The follow-up to “Cosmo Crowd” is a laidback, acoustic, almost demo-sounding little acoustic leftfielder entitled “Norwegian Summer.” Hopefully people will enjoy lazy summer vibe we got going on that one. It is also notable for being the first song featuring lead vocals from “Karen.” We recorded a country-rock stomper called “L12” with Sigve back in February, and we have that on the cards for an early autumn release. We also plan to go record a couple of more singles before the year is out – one of which I think is the best song we’ve written yet. There might even be a remix of “Barbara Barbara Barbara” released, either as its own thing or on the b-side of an upcoming single. So just keep checking back with us, there’s lots more to come.
Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions!
It’s been an absolute pleasure, mate! Thanks for having us and have a lovely summer!